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kaisersose
11-02 03:19 PM
nope, if the alternative to the GC system is outsourcing (as you yourself mentioned) all the profits go to big corporations and our salaries are spent in India. The corporations are notorious for avoiding taxes so teh government gets nothing. By making us stay here longer (on H1 or GC) we end up spending our salaries here, paying taxes, paying social security, paying medicare.
65K H1-Bs earning 70k a year is 4.5 billion dollars. 140K new GC holders each year earning the same comes out to 10 billion dollars. Out of that taxes alone are an easy couple of billion or more dollars. Then take into account the side-effect (we buy cars, we buy appliances, we rent apartments) and the contributions we make to this economy are a lot.
And to say that we are stealing jobs is also inaccurate. There is nothing called stealing-a-job. In general every job is worth how much someone is willing to be paid to do it. If an American citizen wants 100K and the GC holder wants 90K and the H1-B visa guy wants 80K (and all of them are going to work in the same city and same office) the job is worth 80K. The H1-B visa holder is not stealing a job. The days of knowing HTML tags and commanding a salary of 100K a year (1999-2000) are long gone and now replaced by 'that kind of work gets done in India or Ukraine for 10k a year'. Looking at the resumes we got in response to job ads placed in the last 3 companies I worked for, there are simply not enough qualified americans interested. Thats a fact. So the IT sector needs help from abroad to get the job done. They can either send the work over, or bring the people here. Bringing the people here also benefits the rest of the economy.
I did not say outsourcing is the only alternative. I said they will have their own people take these jobs or if not, they will ship out these jobs. Do we really believe there aren't enough Americans to handle IT work in America?
H-1b is not cheap labor. American companies prefer to hire H-1bs with US master's degrees or with substantial amounts of US experience. When they do hire foreigners, they do not discriminate against them by paying them lesser.
H-1bs are abused by desi vendors and the like who take advantage of the indenturing nature of the visa and also on the naivety of "fresh off the boat" people who newly arrive into the US and are unfamilar with US economy. They are starry eyed, still busy converting each dollar into their local currency and feeling happy they are earning relatively more and dreaming about paying off their EMIs back home, sooner. It takes quite a few months for them to settle down and understand US dynamics.
Lastly, we should not confuse the need for H-1bs as equal to the need for GC holders. Take the example of middle eastern countries. They use foreign labor, but they never grant them permanent status. That way, they do not get stuck with them in the event of a downturn. American could have chosen to follow a similar model. Use H-1b temps when necessary and send them out when they are expendable. They have no reaons to hand out GCs, like I said earlier. The benefit is all ours.
65K H1-Bs earning 70k a year is 4.5 billion dollars. 140K new GC holders each year earning the same comes out to 10 billion dollars. Out of that taxes alone are an easy couple of billion or more dollars. Then take into account the side-effect (we buy cars, we buy appliances, we rent apartments) and the contributions we make to this economy are a lot.
And to say that we are stealing jobs is also inaccurate. There is nothing called stealing-a-job. In general every job is worth how much someone is willing to be paid to do it. If an American citizen wants 100K and the GC holder wants 90K and the H1-B visa guy wants 80K (and all of them are going to work in the same city and same office) the job is worth 80K. The H1-B visa holder is not stealing a job. The days of knowing HTML tags and commanding a salary of 100K a year (1999-2000) are long gone and now replaced by 'that kind of work gets done in India or Ukraine for 10k a year'. Looking at the resumes we got in response to job ads placed in the last 3 companies I worked for, there are simply not enough qualified americans interested. Thats a fact. So the IT sector needs help from abroad to get the job done. They can either send the work over, or bring the people here. Bringing the people here also benefits the rest of the economy.
I did not say outsourcing is the only alternative. I said they will have their own people take these jobs or if not, they will ship out these jobs. Do we really believe there aren't enough Americans to handle IT work in America?
H-1b is not cheap labor. American companies prefer to hire H-1bs with US master's degrees or with substantial amounts of US experience. When they do hire foreigners, they do not discriminate against them by paying them lesser.
H-1bs are abused by desi vendors and the like who take advantage of the indenturing nature of the visa and also on the naivety of "fresh off the boat" people who newly arrive into the US and are unfamilar with US economy. They are starry eyed, still busy converting each dollar into their local currency and feeling happy they are earning relatively more and dreaming about paying off their EMIs back home, sooner. It takes quite a few months for them to settle down and understand US dynamics.
Lastly, we should not confuse the need for H-1bs as equal to the need for GC holders. Take the example of middle eastern countries. They use foreign labor, but they never grant them permanent status. That way, they do not get stuck with them in the event of a downturn. American could have chosen to follow a similar model. Use H-1b temps when necessary and send them out when they are expendable. They have no reaons to hand out GCs, like I said earlier. The benefit is all ours.
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fasterthanlight�
05-30 11:14 PM
Does the deadline have to be so farking close!?
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09-17 11:28 AM
Seems like they are discussing about Attorney General Michael B. Mukasey
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unitednations
03-31 11:09 AM
So do you think they are going after AC21 folks as a scapegoat? I spoke to few people on this including lawyers and they say that "denials on 485" when 140 gets revoked is a common thing and usually the officer who issues the denial letter does not check and verify to see other details. Thats why they have to go through the MTR process.
That was the case when uscis would send straight denial and then person would do mtr with ac21.
the OP and the particular case I am talking about; they responded to the notice of intent to deny (NOID specifcally said person may be elgiible for ac21 and to give job letter, etc.); however they denied it after the response was sent. It would be different story if they denied due to job mismatching. However, that was not the case. They denied stating the 140 was revoked. Basically, this is a new type of denial and may be a shift in how uscis is doing things.
I spoke to candidate earlier and he talked to the original 140 company. They told him that their h-1b's aren't getting approved (common issue right now with vermont service center for just about everyone) and that in the clean up they revoked almost 70 I-140's for people who had left. He doesn't know if it was in response to an I-140 query or not (uscis adds up cases frequently in rfe's on the 140). When companies revoke 140 to a RFE; USCIS could be making a determination that the 140's company is now revoking were approved iun error and people are not eligible for ac21. Now; if this was the case; uscis officer should have put this in the denial but they did not.
I'll keep everyone posted of what happens to this case.
That was the case when uscis would send straight denial and then person would do mtr with ac21.
the OP and the particular case I am talking about; they responded to the notice of intent to deny (NOID specifcally said person may be elgiible for ac21 and to give job letter, etc.); however they denied it after the response was sent. It would be different story if they denied due to job mismatching. However, that was not the case. They denied stating the 140 was revoked. Basically, this is a new type of denial and may be a shift in how uscis is doing things.
I spoke to candidate earlier and he talked to the original 140 company. They told him that their h-1b's aren't getting approved (common issue right now with vermont service center for just about everyone) and that in the clean up they revoked almost 70 I-140's for people who had left. He doesn't know if it was in response to an I-140 query or not (uscis adds up cases frequently in rfe's on the 140). When companies revoke 140 to a RFE; USCIS could be making a determination that the 140's company is now revoking were approved iun error and people are not eligible for ac21. Now; if this was the case; uscis officer should have put this in the denial but they did not.
I'll keep everyone posted of what happens to this case.
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anzerraja
07-19 04:34 PM
Please reply. What are the steps involved in getting this done.
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Can someone from the core tell us if there is a possibility that we can request IV to reimburse Aman and other core members for their past expenses and institute a prosess for expense reimbursement going forward
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Can someone from the core tell us if there is a possibility that we can request IV to reimburse Aman and other core members for their past expenses and institute a prosess for expense reimbursement going forward
bkarnik
09-17 11:30 AM
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rimzhim
02-07 12:05 PM
Thank you for your elaboration.
How do you know that all the unused visas go to EB3 before go to EB2?
Even if the immigration reform happens, will it take effect next year or sometime later? How come my PD can become current immediately once the immigration reform happens?
thanks
as soon as the president signs on the SKIL bill, it will become a law, and uscis will implement it within 24 hours. However, regarding your point about PD becoming current immediately: since many MS degree holders are in EB2, their PDs will become current immediately. So uscis will be able to move EB3 very fast. If it doesn't happen immediately, it will happen within a couple of months.
How do you know that all the unused visas go to EB3 before go to EB2?
Even if the immigration reform happens, will it take effect next year or sometime later? How come my PD can become current immediately once the immigration reform happens?
thanks
as soon as the president signs on the SKIL bill, it will become a law, and uscis will implement it within 24 hours. However, regarding your point about PD becoming current immediately: since many MS degree holders are in EB2, their PDs will become current immediately. So uscis will be able to move EB3 very fast. If it doesn't happen immediately, it will happen within a couple of months.
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pmb76
07-16 12:00 AM
"You successfully signed Lou Dobbs' show spreading misinformation on Highly Skilled H1-B workers. petition.
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I'm the petition owner.
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answers_seeker
07-18 01:13 PM
I am not sure if that is going to be an advantage since my PD was not current in JUNE
For all practical purposes, the date on which it was recieved is your RD=> Receipt Date. The postmark date has no relevance except for records unless USCIS explicitly states so ( which it did once in 2001 http://www.uscis.gov/propub/ProPubVAP.jsp?dockey=89a5f3cee754ad0499e55e731191f 360).
485 filings are strictly Receipt date. I am still searching for the uscis link and will post one as soon as I find one.
For all practical purposes, the date on which it was recieved is your RD=> Receipt Date. The postmark date has no relevance except for records unless USCIS explicitly states so ( which it did once in 2001 http://www.uscis.gov/propub/ProPubVAP.jsp?dockey=89a5f3cee754ad0499e55e731191f 360).
485 filings are strictly Receipt date. I am still searching for the uscis link and will post one as soon as I find one.
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chaanakya
08-13 11:05 PM
I feel education should be rewarded (Every where). High skilled should get prefference.
chaanakya may be you should consider putting your words in soft intangiable worlds...
For those who care to read...the fact that I am suggesting that people should port their priority dates before that door closes shows that I believe that people who have played by the rules (ie actually put in the 5 yrs experience or find a job with EB2 requirements) should get preference !!
I call this the plight of EB2 india because as the rules are set up, in theory, if majority of EB3 ported priority dates, then yes, EB2 with later dates would truly get the short end of the stick.
Having said that, the backlash against people like SunnySurya is unfair. From his perspective, he is right and the law grants him the right to sue if he feels so.
THe problem in these forums is that any mature discussion is not possible because any dissenting voice is soon suppressed with ad hominem attacks such as the gentlemen who wanted to buy me tickets to india.
Seriously, how much more immature can we get?
Even reading this discussion, NOT ONE PERSON has attacked the argument on a legal basis. INsults are aplenty though.
chaanakya may be you should consider putting your words in soft intangiable worlds...
For those who care to read...the fact that I am suggesting that people should port their priority dates before that door closes shows that I believe that people who have played by the rules (ie actually put in the 5 yrs experience or find a job with EB2 requirements) should get preference !!
I call this the plight of EB2 india because as the rules are set up, in theory, if majority of EB3 ported priority dates, then yes, EB2 with later dates would truly get the short end of the stick.
Having said that, the backlash against people like SunnySurya is unfair. From his perspective, he is right and the law grants him the right to sue if he feels so.
THe problem in these forums is that any mature discussion is not possible because any dissenting voice is soon suppressed with ad hominem attacks such as the gentlemen who wanted to buy me tickets to india.
Seriously, how much more immature can we get?
Even reading this discussion, NOT ONE PERSON has attacked the argument on a legal basis. INsults are aplenty though.
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JazzByTheBay
12-12 09:48 PM
Let's just compare it with membership-based organizations like IEEE, for instance.
You enroll/become a member, you get access to member-only areas of the web site, and plenty of other benefits to make membership worthwhile.
Earlier today I received a mailer from "The Club" (Commonwealth Club of California, iirc). For the benefits offered, and for the general spirit and intent of the club, I thought the $85/110 membership dues were quite reasonable.
My question comes back to IV - why can't 10,000 or all 25,000 of IV's members decide what we're doing is worth it, the access to information is worth it, the free legal guidance and advice is worth it, and other benefits (that may be thought up... for instance travel discounts, etc.) are worth it - to "contribute" to IV (call it whatever you will - contribution/membership dues)?
Next, of course, is the concept of "premium" membership for web sites like WSJ.com, or technical ones like Experts-Exchange for instance. You join, you get premium content. IV has much more to offer than just premium content here.
(As a sidenote, one example is members getting newsletters - online or paper - with expert legal opinions and answers on our most common questions. Authoritative, as much as they can be, with documentation where required... rather than spending 2 hours searching the forums and still coming up blank or inconclusive... )
There are other logistics issues that can be resolved, and *we* = all members, will empower IV to do a lot more by doing that, imho. I can think of 20 things we can do in addition to this lobbying effort - and we won't have to start a funding drive each time we decide to do something.
Thanks for participating in this debate and making your opinions known. Most importantly, this is about brainstorming and coming up with more ideas - regardless of whether we take this membership-only approach or not.
Ultimately, whatever IV is able to accomplish will benefit the entire legal immigrant community, regardless of contributions/memberships. However, the need of the hour is to realize the opportunities we are missing because of lack of resources and hands in most cases.
cheers!
jazz
I guess you are talking about premium membership like wsj etc. I am not sure a free exchange of ideas can occur if we put our membership for sale by restricting access to some parts of the website. IV will lose some of its sheen and I am not sure the tradeoff in membership $ is worth it- dunno just doesn't feel right in the gut
You enroll/become a member, you get access to member-only areas of the web site, and plenty of other benefits to make membership worthwhile.
Earlier today I received a mailer from "The Club" (Commonwealth Club of California, iirc). For the benefits offered, and for the general spirit and intent of the club, I thought the $85/110 membership dues were quite reasonable.
My question comes back to IV - why can't 10,000 or all 25,000 of IV's members decide what we're doing is worth it, the access to information is worth it, the free legal guidance and advice is worth it, and other benefits (that may be thought up... for instance travel discounts, etc.) are worth it - to "contribute" to IV (call it whatever you will - contribution/membership dues)?
Next, of course, is the concept of "premium" membership for web sites like WSJ.com, or technical ones like Experts-Exchange for instance. You join, you get premium content. IV has much more to offer than just premium content here.
(As a sidenote, one example is members getting newsletters - online or paper - with expert legal opinions and answers on our most common questions. Authoritative, as much as they can be, with documentation where required... rather than spending 2 hours searching the forums and still coming up blank or inconclusive... )
There are other logistics issues that can be resolved, and *we* = all members, will empower IV to do a lot more by doing that, imho. I can think of 20 things we can do in addition to this lobbying effort - and we won't have to start a funding drive each time we decide to do something.
Thanks for participating in this debate and making your opinions known. Most importantly, this is about brainstorming and coming up with more ideas - regardless of whether we take this membership-only approach or not.
Ultimately, whatever IV is able to accomplish will benefit the entire legal immigrant community, regardless of contributions/memberships. However, the need of the hour is to realize the opportunities we are missing because of lack of resources and hands in most cases.
cheers!
jazz
I guess you are talking about premium membership like wsj etc. I am not sure a free exchange of ideas can occur if we put our membership for sale by restricting access to some parts of the website. IV will lose some of its sheen and I am not sure the tradeoff in membership $ is worth it- dunno just doesn't feel right in the gut
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krishna.ahd
02-06 08:35 AM
I completely agree with Logiclife and the goals IV has setforth to solve our problems. There is only so much one can achieve with limited resources under which IV operates.
We need to have a set of priorities and work on that one step at time. Though I have not been to DC, I can understand what IV is going through to get us some relief. The least I can do is contribute for our cause and thats what I am doing right now.
I wish people had some common sense and better understanding of the bigger picture(& issues) before they get involved in finger pointing and asking for more.
Everyone, please be patient and support IV whole heartedly and financially so that we can atleast attempt to fix the broken immigration system. Though I am VERY optimistic that we will achieve our goals in the near future, but I would not regret even once, if we failed. It is better to try and fail than not give it a shot at all.
I fully agree , stay focused on the agreed agenda for now.
Ideal world or Dream World , one may wish to have GC along with SSN card itself , but reality right now fix is needed for the broken system called retro.
We need to have a set of priorities and work on that one step at time. Though I have not been to DC, I can understand what IV is going through to get us some relief. The least I can do is contribute for our cause and thats what I am doing right now.
I wish people had some common sense and better understanding of the bigger picture(& issues) before they get involved in finger pointing and asking for more.
Everyone, please be patient and support IV whole heartedly and financially so that we can atleast attempt to fix the broken immigration system. Though I am VERY optimistic that we will achieve our goals in the near future, but I would not regret even once, if we failed. It is better to try and fail than not give it a shot at all.
I fully agree , stay focused on the agreed agenda for now.
Ideal world or Dream World , one may wish to have GC along with SSN card itself , but reality right now fix is needed for the broken system called retro.
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GCmuddu_H1BVaddu
04-04 09:49 AM
Who filed GC for you any way.
whats your point?? He could be from anywhere!! How does that matter with his difficult situation??
whats your point?? He could be from anywhere!! How does that matter with his difficult situation??
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needhelp!
09-24 11:47 AM
sc3.. The intent of Employment based category is to attract high skilled workers and NOT for preserving diversity.
There is diversity visa for that.
There is diversity visa for that.
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ajmalnasar
06-14 01:20 PM
AabTuAgaGC, just for a reminder when you go to US consulate for H4 stamping for your spouse, you need a proper proof of marriage and that requires marriage certificate, annotaion of husbands name in wife's passport, wedding card, wedding pictures, so just marriage on paper wont do. Also please keep in mind if you are from india, different state has different rule for issuing marriage certificaten some state take a month before they issue marriage certificaten some state give the certificate in a week.Marriage act in idia is satewise and not federal. Also if your would be spouse does not have passport it wold take a couple of weeks to get Passport under tatkal service, hence before you bring in your wife to US, if you get married in Oct/Nov, it would take another month to get the appointment, get marriage certificate, passport etc. So act now otherwise you might be late.
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06-13 06:46 PM
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H4_losing_hope
03-13 03:45 PM
I hope this means more movement in the coming months too, my best to everyone :)
